NS Cliches: Rebooted

by **Gonswanza** » Fri Nov 05, 2021 1:11 am

Tbh, aside from the portraits, it's a common trope to have leaders that are well rounded without any flaws, or with as few flaws as possible, while fully embracing whatever political system said country has.

There's only a few where the leader is deranged and damaged in some way, even harboring some resentment or resistance to the current state of affairs, seeking to change it slowly to better suit their own ideals. Ergo, a mentally scarred Maoist who is placed into the office of a democratic monarchy with a bipartisan majority party in a multi-party system.

by **Polish Prussian Commonwealth** » Fri Nov 05, 2021 7:47 am

Gonswanza wrote:Tbh, aside from the portraits, it's a common trope to have leaders that are well rounded without any flaws, or with as few flaws as possible, while fully embracing whatever political system said country has.

There's only a few where the leader is deranged and damaged in some way, even harboring some resentment or resistance to the current state of affairs, seeking to change it slowly to better suit their own ideals. Ergo, a mentally scarred Maoist who is placed into the office of a democratic monarchy with a bipartisan majority party in a multi-party system.

"only a few"
"even harboring some resentment or resistance to the current state of affairs, seeking to change it slowly to better suit their own ideals."
if only you knew lmao

by **Gonswanza** » Fri Nov 05, 2021 7:55 am

Polish Prussian Commonwealth wrote:
Gonswanza wrote:Tbh, aside from the portraits, it's a common trope to have leaders that are well rounded without any flaws, or with as few flaws as possible, while fully embracing whatever political system said country has.

There's only a few where the leader is deranged and damaged in some way, even harboring some resentment or resistance to the current state of affairs, seeking to change it slowly to better suit their own ideals. Ergo, a mentally scarred Maoist who is placed into the office of a democratic monarchy with a bipartisan majority party in a multi-party system.

"only a few"
"even harboring some resentment or resistance to the current state of affairs, seeking to change it slowly to better suit their own ideals."
if only you knew lmao

I'm going off the F7 threads, not international incidents here. Somehow F7 seems to cover a broad range of nations, beyond the cookie-cutter democracies.

by **Feyrisshire** » Fri Nov 05, 2021 9:12 am

Kors wrote:It's pretty unrealistic to have super attractive people in charge of your country. Look at a single world leader today and compare them to f7 portraits in AL YL threads.

World Leaders Today:

by **Ahkara** » Fri Nov 05, 2021 9:43 am

Feyrisshire wrote:
Kors wrote:It's pretty unrealistic to have super attractive people in charge of your country. Look at a single world leader today and compare them to f7 portraits in AL YL threads.

World Leaders Today:

The first two aren’t world leaders, the last two are constitutional monarchs who don’t hold power, the second to last being a queen who married into her position, so not really a world leader either. Macron, Arden, and Trudeau could definitely be considered attractive, but they’re all generally “older” and far from the straight up supermodels used here. The prime minister of Finland is an exception.

by **Remulia** » Fri Nov 05, 2021 10:02 am

It's pretty unrealistic to have super attractive people in charge of your country. Look at a single world leader today and compare them to f7 portraits in AL YL threads.

Oh, great: another cliche this nation has...*looking at Kamile*

by **Brettenwald** » Fri Nov 05, 2021 10:15 am

Ahkara wrote:
Feyrisshire wrote:
World Leaders Today:

The first two aren’t world leaders, the last two are constitutional monarchs who don’t hold power, the second to last being a queen who married into her position, so not really a world leader either. Macron, Arden, and Trudeau could definitely be considered attractive, but they’re all generally “older” and far from the straight up supermodels used here. The prime minister of Finland is an exception.

seethe and cope.

by **Hanoverian Great Britain** » Fri Nov 05, 2021 10:46 am

Gonswanza wrote:Tbh, aside from the portraits, it's a common trope to have leaders that are well rounded without any flaws, or with as few flaws as possible, while fully embracing whatever political system said country has.

There's only a few where the leader is deranged and damaged in some way, even harboring some resentment or resistance to the current state of affairs, seeking to change it slowly to better suit their own ideals. Ergo, a mentally scarred Maoist who is placed into the office of a democratic monarchy with a bipartisan majority party in a multi-party system.

Damn, this one quite fits a particular character of mine in some way, although I'm probably trying to work more on the "flaws" thingie in general

by **Ahkara** » Fri Nov 05, 2021 10:58 am

Brettenwald wrote:
Ahkara wrote:
The first two aren’t world leaders, the last two are constitutional monarchs who don’t hold power, the second to last being a queen who married into her position, so not really a world leader either. Macron, Arden, and Trudeau could definitely be considered attractive, but they’re all generally “older” and far from the straight up supermodels used here. The prime minister of Finland is an exception.

seethe and cope.

You’re in a thread about tropes crying about people calling out tropes. Bruh you’re the only one seething

by **Unified Communist Councils** » Fri Nov 05, 2021 11:01 am

Ahkara wrote:
Brettenwald wrote:seethe and cope.

You’re in a thread about tropes crying about people calling out tropes. Bruh you’re the only one seething

Malding moments.

by **Kors** » Fri Nov 05, 2021 11:05 am

Feyrisshire wrote:
Kors wrote:It's pretty unrealistic to have super attractive people in charge of your country. Look at a single world leader today and compare them to f7 portraits in AL YL threads.

World Leaders Today:

Really? Our prime minister Trudeau is beautiful? seriously?
He looks like a literal potato.

by **Aikoland** » Fri Nov 05, 2021 12:59 pm

I mean I'm lesbian but I'd still rate Trudeau as like average in terms of appearance?

Which is honestly the big takeaway here: actual 'ugly' people aren't that common, the vast majority of people are going to be of average or above average appearance.

by **The Onox Legion** » Fri Nov 05, 2021 1:08 pm

Well, it's the matter of truth that attractive or complete abominations are the most interesting type to see.
Either it's nice to look at or so hideous that it's fascinating, this is how designed characters usually go, an age old rule in character designers in online games.

by **Allinburg** » Fri Nov 05, 2021 1:42 pm

when you realise that a significant percentage of “elections” in “democratic” nations always have some form of first-past-the-post junk electoral system instead of a more representative way of counting votes — the electoral system is usually never discussed or is completely ignored upon
after literally 6 years of nationstates (incl the years i was inactive) every fourth nation i look at somehow and still has a government ruled by a peace-loving progressive “nationalise internet infrastructure” liberal social democratic party headed by a 20-something straight out of “years of experience”

by **The Alkdorian Empire** » Fri Nov 05, 2021 1:57 pm

Allinburg wrote:
when you realise that a significant percentage of “elections” in “democratic” nations always have some form of first-past-the-post junk electoral system instead of a more representative way of counting votes — the electoral system is usually never discussed or is completely ignored upon
after literally 6 years of nationstates (incl the years i was inactive) every fourth nation i look at somehow and still has a government ruled by a peace-loving progressive “nationalise internet infrastructure” liberal social democratic party headed by a 20-something straight out of “years of experience”

For the latter, it's just most players who are left or right and value democracy are ideologically trapped in having their elected leader align with their views, and not really ever have a new leader that is the opposite of them.

by **Aikoland** » Fri Nov 05, 2021 1:59 pm

Allinburg wrote:
when you realise that a significant percentage of “elections” in “democratic” nations always have some form of first-past-the-post junk electoral system instead of a more representative way of counting votes — the electoral system is usually never discussed or is completely ignored upon

The vast majority of people on this site are either Americans, Canadians, or British and what electoral system do those countries use?

Exactly.

People tend to go by what they know when it comes to creating their nations.

by **Gonswanza** » Fri Nov 05, 2021 2:39 pm

Aikoland wrote:
Allinburg wrote:
when you realise that a significant percentage of “elections” in “democratic” nations always have some form of first-past-the-post junk electoral system instead of a more representative way of counting votes — the electoral system is usually never discussed or is completely ignored upon

The vast majority of people on this site are either Americans, Canadians, or British and what electoral system do those countries use?

Exactly.

People tend to go by what they know when it comes to creating their nations.

Americans aren't even aware of the electoral system or how craptastic it has become as of late, especially with the media's predictions somehow being the complete opposite of the expected result should they attempt to guess at who will win long before voting even starts.

Also due to this it's pretty much simplified to all hell as well.

Source: I'm an American, been an American for all my life, I regrettably looked into how the process worked and I still feel like I wasted several hours of my life that I'll never get back.

by **Las Palmeras** » Fri Nov 05, 2021 3:26 pm

Hey everybody! I've been gone for a few days, drawing and writing about a new character that's a power-hungry succubus wanting to marry a prince. What did I miss?

Kors wrote:Another thing is when people purposely choose the most attractive, graceful, smooth, charismatic, beautiful, hot, young person to be their leader. I feel like I'm the only guy on f7 with a literal prune ruling the nation. Old people are hard to come by these days. So do ugly, or normal-looking people. I'm guessing that is why there are so many anime characters on ns, since it's such an overused art style and it's very hard to draw an ugly anime character, and there aren't enough fitting and cool portraits of non-anime style.

Ahkara wrote:
Also yeah it would be nice if people would make less supermodel/waifu/husbando leaders

Feyrisshire wrote:
Kors wrote:It's pretty unrealistic to have super attractive people in charge of your country. Look at a single world leader today and compare them to f7 portraits in AL YL threads.

World Leaders Today:

Brettenwald wrote:seethe and cope.

Unified Communist Councils wrote:*snip*

by **The Alkdorian Empire** » Fri Nov 05, 2021 3:30 pm

Huh? That looks nothing like a Succubus but then again they are supposed to be sneaky, and not blatantly obvious like in a certain and very popular web series.

by **Gonswanza** » Fri Nov 05, 2021 3:31 pm

Las Palmeras wrote:Hey everybody! I've been gone for a few days, drawing and writing about a new character that's a power-hungry succubus wanting to marry a prince. What did I miss?

Kors wrote:Another thing is when people purposely choose the most attractive, graceful, smooth, charismatic, beautiful, hot, young person to be their leader. I feel like I'm the only guy on f7 with a literal prune ruling the nation. Old people are hard to come by these days. So do ugly, or normal-looking people. I'm guessing that is why there are so many anime characters on ns, since it's such an overused art style and it's very hard to draw an ugly anime character, and there aren't enough fitting and cool portraits of non-anime style.

Ahkara wrote:
Also yeah it would be nice if people would make less supermodel/waifu/husbando leaders

Feyrisshire wrote:
World Leaders Today:

Brettenwald wrote:seethe and cope.

Unified Communist Councils wrote:*snip*

Why does she seem familiar and why do I feel that I've seen her on a certain site of a certain color.

Have I become a schizo?

by **Las Palmeras** » Fri Nov 05, 2021 3:34 pm

The Alkdorian Empire wrote:Huh? That looks nothing like a Succubus but then again they are supposed to be sneaky, and not blatantly obvious like in a certain and very popular web series.

I gave up on realism. Not that one can be "realistic" with mythological creatures given a new lease on life in pop-culture, nor am I high-brow to make it true to Medieval tradition.

TL;DR: shes hot lol.

Gonswanza wrote:Why does she seem familiar and why do I feel that I've seen her on a certain site of a certain color.

Have I become a schizo?

That says a lot more about you than me, my dude or dudette.

The "hero", if I don't decide on a good-looking James Bond ripoff prettyboy doodle I have, is basically Jean Reno when he plays a Medieval knight, in hindsight. So now I feel less bad about being able to make things other than booba:

by **Wejas** » Fri Nov 05, 2021 4:50 pm

Las Palmeras wrote:Hey everybody! I've been gone for a few days, drawing and writing about a new character that's a power-hungry succubus wanting to marry a prince. What did I miss?

Kors wrote:Another thing is when people purposely choose the most attractive, graceful, smooth, charismatic, beautiful, hot, young person to be their leader. I feel like I'm the only guy on f7 with a literal prune ruling the nation. Old people are hard to come by these days. So do ugly, or normal-looking people. I'm guessing that is why there are so many anime characters on ns, since it's such an overused art style and it's very hard to draw an ugly anime character, and there aren't enough fitting and cool portraits of non-anime style.

Ahkara wrote:
Also yeah it would be nice if people would make less supermodel/waifu/husbando leaders

Feyrisshire wrote:
World Leaders Today:

Brettenwald wrote:seethe and cope.

Unified Communist Councils wrote:*snip*

Honestly, I feel like a general rule of thumb should be 'cliches aren't bad, just how you use them is.'

But that would mean putting in effort rather than just saying "all nations that have militaries more powerful than mine are boring military-wanks. (Which is every MT+ nation and most PT nations)" And honestly, that's easier.

by **Menschlicher Sternenstaat** » Fri Nov 05, 2021 5:13 pm

Ahkara wrote:I don't get why some people go into threads that basically require you to read other nations factbooks and don't bother reading them at all, even for the stuff about the threads topic. If I had a nickel for ever time someone called my nation third world just because it's in Africa...

Also yeah it would be nice if people would make less supermodel/waifu/husbando leaders

I don't use appearances as a crutch for leader characters - namely, my heads of state and government both are old white men - but their fashion/drip and pure, radiant, concentrated sigma energy is what ensnares their populations to a form of in-character respect.

Namely because a leader that is bland in fashion, physical appearance, and personality comes off as that - bland and forgettable.

by **The Onox Legion** » Sat Nov 06, 2021 2:40 am

Well, I do think we could use some characters from the other side of the spectrum, so ugly that they are an offense to the eyes and that it's hilarious.
Noone wants to look at a character that looks boring, imo. Either nice to look at or so hideous that it's funny.
Altough for the latter one would require either their own art, use certain genres or use an MMO character designer.

by **-Astoria-** » Sat Nov 06, 2021 2:57 am

Allinburg wrote:
when you realise that a significant percentage of “elections” in “democratic” nations always have some form of first-past-the-post junk electoral system instead of a more representative way of counting votes — the electoral system is usually never discussed or is completely ignored upon
after literally 6 years of nationstates (incl the years i was inactive) every fourth nation i look at somehow and still has a government ruled by a peace-loving progressive “nationalise internet infrastructure” liberal social democratic party headed by a 20-something straight out of “years of experience”

oof

In my case, it was due to the following:

Ugh, those are years I'm never going to get back.

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